Forum AI co-founder on Trump-AI meeting

But Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has been the loudest about the dangers of AI and wants more government intervention. He's cautious. Listen. As the president has said, whoever wins AI, wins. I think that's very important. But I think the technology has very real risks. And the mechanism, how we address those risks is still under discussion. So for a deeper dive, we're live with Robbie Goldfarb. He's Co-Founder of Forum AI. Good to have you with us today. So your thoughts on the industry and whether it can self-regulate effectively. I mean, I think, self-regulation can be part of the picture, but it certainly can't be the whole picture. I mean, on the one hand, the companies themselves are actually in the best position to understand their systems. They built them. So you absolutely want them playing a role in taking responsibility for that. But there's a tension when the same company's both building the product and responsible for deciding whether it's safe enough to launch. Especially when there are major competitive and commercial pressures. So I don't think the answer or the question is self-regulation versus independent oversight. I think it's probably some combination of both, companies building and testing responsibly with independent parties in the loop, as well.

And who gets to choose those independent parties, I think, is a fundamental question. The president admits, this is not legally binding. He says it's morally binding. But morality, we have learned from history, can be subjective. So with so much concentrated power, arguably powers that stand to make a lot of money from the technology, can the American public trust these power brokers? I mean, I think, it's the right question. I think, historically, one of the best ways to address this is transparency. At the end of the day, to your point, these aren't black and white situations. The right answer isn't always clear. But I think the most important thing is, to your point, being transparent about who is evaluating these systems. The thesis of the company that we're building at Forum AI is engaging, credible, reputable experts to be the ones doing that evaluation and making sure that the public can see that. Because if it's happening behind closed doors, it's impossible to say.

Who's watching the watchmen then, given the emerging scenario? I mean, in this case, it's yet to be determined. But I think, once again, the important piece is transparency, is having people in the loop for independent oversight and ensuring that the public can see who those people are, and make their voices heard if there's approval or not. Is it almost like an approach that you're advocating for, sort of like a crowdsourcing of eyeballs, involving the public in the oversight of the technology we're all going to have to live with, one way or the other? I think so, to some extent, but I would say, it's about expertise. I think these are incredibly tricky decisions, whether you're talking about healthcare, whether you're talking about youth safety. And so the right answer in these cases is to have reputable professionals in the loop, who have experience. If we're assessing how well a system conducts itself when providing mental health advice, it should be mental health clinicians in the loop, and we should be crowdsourcing from them. If it's about youth safety risks, it should be professionals in that space. And so I do think crowdsourcing is a bit of a loaded term. I don't think this is about just open it up to anyone and everyone. But I do think it's about engaging the right people and making sure that crowd is in the loop to make those calls, for sure. All right, Robbie Goldfarb, what an important conversation. We hope to see you back here on CBS News 24/7. Thank you so much. Let's now open up our video and take a live look at the White House, where President Donald Trump is expected to announce major energy infrastructure investments. We will keep an eye on that as soon as he steps in front of that microphone. Also, with so many big world events, not the least of which, what happened aboard that flight out of Dubai headed towards Israel, that had to be put down in Saudi Arabia. As soon as we see what the president has to say about the planned event and then, the Breaking News of the day, we'll bring it to you right here on CBS News 24/7. So in the meantime, let's go live now to CBS News correspondent and Senior White House correspondent Weijia Jiang, in Washington. So, Weijia, as we just heard, the president really putting a focus on AI yesterday. What did the president have to say about data centers? Because without those data centers, we don't have the other end of the experience, and that's the consumer or the corporations that use the tech. And those data centers are critical to power the technology that the president is so focused on right now, which is why he has been such a proponent of them, despite the backlash across the political spectrum. But the president insists that these data centers will make life better for everyone, including for people who live in the communities where they are built. And he even went as far as saying that somehow these people would reap some of the financial benefits of the centers. Although, he did not specify how that money would come back to them. In the past, Reed, he has even said that anyone who is against building these data centers want to remain poor and backwards. Our Nancy Cordes asked him yesterday, about where they should and should not be built. Here's what he said. The people in those areas, we discussed this at length today, they're going to greatly benefit financially. Do you want them to them to stay away from homes when they're building these data centers? Yeah, I think, I want them to be in the right location within a community. But of course, the president didn't elaborate about what the, quote unquote, "right location" is. For those who have concerns, they don't want them in their backyard, literally. They are concerned about how it would impact their energy costs and their water supplies. So there are a lot of issues that the president has yet to directly address, and that Republicans have been facing on the campaign trail. This is something that could really change some of the elections, as we continue to eye those midterms just around the corner. Reed. All right. We know you'll have it. Weijia Jiang, in Washington, thank you so much.