48 Hours: Justice in the Heartland

You can drive a long way in Stanton County, Kan., and rarely see another soul.

In tiny Johnson City, the county seat, the locals trade gossip at places like the County Fare Café or the aptly named Rinky Dink Drive Inn owned by Mary Hart.

"It's a very close community. Things can divide it and cause hard feelings. Things can draw it close together," explained Hart.

It's the kind of place that doesn't welcome strangers easily. Deb Golub knows. She moved her family here from California after her husband died; her son, Mike, was 16.

Johnson was her boyfriend, Jim's, hometown, but it was all new to Deb.

"We're newcomers. We've been here since '94. I'm an outsider. My son was an outsider," Deb told "48 Hours Mystery" correspondent Susan Spencer.

Mike's sister, Crissy, stayed in California, but made a point of being part of her brother's life.

"I remember him calling me… about falling out of relationships and likewise. I remember confiding in him. And he was so good about that. And I think that we really connected," she said.

Initially, the local teens, like Danae Meurer, didn't know quite what to make of the newcomer they nicknamed "California Mike."

"At first, I just thought he was a smart-ass. I mean he was kind of full of himself and cocky and walked around tellin' these stories that none of us believed," Meurer said. "And then we asked his mom and found out that most of them were actually true… And it just grew on me. It didn't take very long 'til you were laughing as hard as he was when he was telling the stories."

Shannon and Steve Morris soon realized that behind that cocky exterior was a heart of gold.

"Mike would make you feel good about yourself," Steve said. "Mike was a good guy. He'd give you the shirt off your back."

"He was funny. We were best friends and stepbrothers and he was a very smart guy," said Beau Hines, who also called Mike a hard worker.

Mike was a skilled mechanic, who spent long hours repairing equipment for his boss, Eric Kramer.

"…dependability was really good. Anything you put that kid to, he would figure it out, he was pretty good," said Kramer.

Eric Kramer on Golub: In February 2009, veteran homicide investigators Paul Ciolino and Joe Moura spoke to Mike Golub's boss.

In 1995, Mike met another outsider - a young woman named Shannon Albers, from Montana. From the start, Mike was smitten.

"They seemed to get along very well at the beginning," Deb said. "It was 'Let's go party, let's go have fun…' It was a fast and furious thing."

But the honeymoon didn't last.

"The only time Shannon ever talked to me is when she wanted to complain about Mike. And that's it," said Shannon Morris.

"Michael never made enough money. She always complained about money," said Deb.

"She'd make comments like 'she has caviar taste on a hot dog budget,'" Hines said. "And she'd say that in front of all our friends."

The one bright spot was the couple's son, Mikey - his father's pride and joy. Deb said her son was an excellent father. ""He loved his boy. He was just a natural-born dad."

But having Mikey didn't save the relationship. At its lowest point, Shannon even called the cops, alleging that Mike had choked her. They arrested him.

"They had a fight," Deb explained. "And he had his hand on her throat, holding her away from him."

The charges were later dropped, but Shannon soon moved out, taking Mikey with her.

"He was in love with her and he was devastated when they split up," Meurer said. "That was a hard time for him."

Then, at the age of 24, Mike Golub had a heart attack - apparently the result of a genetic defect. It almost killed him.

"After his heart attack, he got scared," Meurer explained. "And he and I had a number of conversations that God had given him a second chance and that he needed to pay attention to that."

Friends said that brush with death was a turning point. So was a new woman in his life, Brooke Wilkerson.

"Young, fun - they went skydiving together… she brought out a lot of that life back to Mike," said Meurer.

In 2004, Mike and Brooke had a son, Kamryn. By all accounts, Mike Golub finally had grown up. His life was full.

"Mike turned into the young man that I would [have] been proud to call my son," said Hart.

"He was in love with Brooke and he loved his son, Cameron, very much and wanted to be the father that he never had," said his sister, Crissy.

"They were really happy and Mike was talking marriage, he was talking [about] proposing to her," added Meurer.

Mike's former girlfriend, Shannon Albers, also had moved on and up. She married Chad Floyd, who happened to be from one of the richest and most powerful families in Johnson.

According to Hart, "Everybody knows the Floyds, whether it be through farming or setting around a coffee table at the local coffee shop."

"Their name is so prominent here. They're very huge in farming here. They've been here for years," said Deb.

When asked what the attraction was between Chad and Shannon Floyd, Shannon Morris replied, "It was money. Period. She's a gold digger."

She wasn't out of Mike's life; they still were fighting - now over Mikey. And now Chad was involved.

Deb said Mike wanted more time with his son, but "Shannon and Chad weren't willing to share."

Mike was only allowed to see Mikey every other weekend. And despite the bickering, the arrangement seemed to work - for awhile.

But on May 20, 2005, Mike Golub drove away from work a little before 6 p.m. to pick up his son. He's not been seen since.

"And as soon as Steve got off the phone with Beau and told me he was missing, the very first thing I said was, 'You don't think Shannon did something to him?'" Shannon Morris told Spencer. "That's the very first thing I said."Mike Golub's disappearance left his friends stunned and very suspicious of both his ex-girlfriend, Shannon Albers and her new husband, Chad Floyd.

Steve Morris described Chad as "very arrogant, self-righteous."

"He comes from one of those families," said Shannon Morris. "…generations of a family that's been in this community forever," added Steve.

"They have all the money in the community. They control the community," Shannon Morris continued. "Everybody's lives absolutely revolve around them, their money and what they do."

"It's not that people are afraid of them like you would be someone from the Mafia. But everybody just kisses their ass and they bow down to 'em," said Steve.

Money may talk, but Chad and Shannon Floyd did not talk when "48 Hours Mystery" asked them for their perspective.

And Mike Golub's friends and family worried that the Floyd family's prominence in Johnson could influence the investigation.

Police were not talking publicly about the case, so "48 Hours Mystery" brought in veteran homicide investigators Paul Ciolino and Joe Moura to look at the evidence and see where it would lead.

"Well, the dynamic is - is that the new couple, Chad and Shannon - Chad decides he hates Michael because Michael is the father of a child that he's basically raising in his home," Ciolino said. "Shannon and Michael have a classic relationship of [an] unmarried couple who had a child and they're kind of at war with each other more often than not."

Shannon had laid down strict rules for Mike's visits with Mikey. He had to pick up his son in a car with car seat at a neutral spot - the local Ampride convenience store - never at their house.

"He picked him up one time only for a birthday party. And that was Mikey's birthday party. That's the only time that I know of that Michael was out there at their home," said Deb Golub.

On May 20, 2005, Mike was working with a crew in fields about 20 miles from Johnson.

That afternoon, Shannon had called and asked him to do something very unusual: to come to her house to pick up Mikey. So around 6 p.m., Mike left in a truck borrowed from his boss.

The high school football coach next reports seeing Mike at 6:20 p.m. in Johnson at the corner of Lake and Logan, some 9 miles from Shannon's house.

It is the last place anybody is known to have seen Mike Golub.

Shannon told police he never came to her house to pick up Mikey. And when reliable Mike didn't show up for work, his boss, Eric Kramer feared an accident. A pilot, Kramer took a helicopter up and searched remote back roads hoping to spot the truck. But there was no trace of it.

Five days after Mike's disappearance, the truck was spotted in a remote field. There was no evidence of any foul play and the mystery deepened. But given the bad blood between Mike and the Floyds, Mike's mother said it never was a mystery to her.

"I thought of foul play," said Deb.

"From the beginning?" asked Susan Spencer.

"I would say so. Because there was so much hatred," Deb replied. "…for me, it fit together because I had known that she was vicious enough to do this. And so was Chad."

Police suspicions grew when it was learned that the Floyds were hoping to move and to leave Johnson for good.

"Him and Shannon - well, they're looking at real estate, they're talking about wantin' to go to Colorado," Ciolino explained. "They wanna get out of here. And who can blame 'em? If you're young, and there's not a lot here for you, in reality. I mean, there's - you know, you're gonna farm or you're gonna farm some more."

The couple already had talked about leaving to Sally Ochoa, a child custody worker from the state.

Ciolino and Moura asked Ochoa if the couple's plan, when they saw her, was to move out of state.

"I don't know whether it was a plan at that time, but it was definitely something they had discussed," she replied. "They were seriously exploring it, I believe."

But then, Ochoa told the couple something they didn't want to hear: if they left Kansas, Shannon probably would lose custody of Mikey to his father.

"Chad wants outta here. He wants out with Shannon. He wants out with the kid. And he doesn't want Mike around," Ciolino told Spencer.

To the local cops, it sounded like a motive. They called in the Kansas Bureau of Investigation (KBI).

"And what does Chad say when the KBI shows up at his house? What does he say to the sheriff? 'Why'd you have to involve the f---ing KBI,'" Ciolino said. "You know why? Chad knows. 'Uh-oh. I got a problem now.' Because these guys aren't from here. They don't know me and they don't care."

Indeed, the KBI began digging into the Floyd's financial records and made a startling discovery. Two weeks before Mike's disappearance, Chad had cashed in $50,000 in family stock.

Investigators would soon conclude the money was all part of the Floyd's plan to make it look like they'd bribed Mike Golub to leave town. Chad's cousin, who runs the local bank, said Chad told him just that: the money was a payoff so Mike would disappear and give up custody of Mikey.

"He would not have taken a dime for that child," Deb Golub said of her son. "He would never have sold his son-especially not to those two - not to Chad and Shannon, never."

Six weeks after Mike vanished, KBI investigators searched Chad and Shannon's house, already having discovered Shannon had repainted the front deck just days after Mike disappeared.

Suspicious, investigators dismantled the deck. On the unpainted underside of the boards, they hit pay dirt: small amounts of blood and traces of Mike Golub's DNA.

"It's some biological matter that came from Mike Golub. OK. That's what we know. Of course, if he wasn't here that day, how would it be there?" Ciolino said while at the house with Moura and Spencer.

Shannon and Chad had also recently replaced the front window. The repairman said it had a hole in it. And finally, adding to the evidence against them, on the very day of Mike's disappearance, Chad Floyd bought an untraceable rifle from his cousin.

"I think somebody was inside the house with a gun," Danae Meurer told "48 Hours." "I think he came to the front door, rang the doorbell and got shot. And that's what the evidence looks like to me. And I think they got rid of the body."

Assuming, of course, that Mike Golub is even dead.For Deb Golub, there's an empty place in her heart since her son, Mike, disappeared.

"He was my baby. He was fun, his laugh was invigorating. He wanted to be a good father. Losing that child, you never get over it, never get over it," she said.

Adding to the pain, Deb no longer has contact with her grandson.

"We haven't been allowed to see Mikey. And he's been such a part of our life," she said. "And then to have him ripped out - it's terrible."

"But Shannon's a custodial parent and she doesn't want to have anything to do with you?" asked Susan Spencer.

"No. No," Deb replied. "What is she afraid of? That's what I want to know. Why is she afraid for me to see that child? Does Mikey know something?"

In fact, investigators never interviewed Mikey, never asked the child what happened that day. "48 Hours Mystery" consultant Joe Moura said that interview might have shed light on the case.

"The police investigation eventually could have figured out, speaking to a 5-year-old, 'Did Daddy come?' Very simple question. 'Yes, Daddy came.' 'Did you see Daddy leave?' Very simple questions," he said.

The Kansas Bureau of Investigation won't discuss the case, but "48 Hours Mystery" investigator Paul Ciolino said their biggest challenge was obvious: they had no body.

"You could pick up all kinds of fibers off the body. The injuries [and] what kind of bullet was used," he explained.

Even without the body, KBI investigators formed a theory: Chad shot Mike, not with the untraceable rifle he bought from his cousin - Chad turned that over - but with a glock.

They know Chad owned a glock, but that gun has disappeared. And, on his lawyer's advice, Chad never responded to questions about it.

"How's that possible?" Ciolino asked. "The Glock is just gone.'I don't know what happened to it.'"

The investigators theory, Ciolino said, appeared to be that Chad shot Mike Golub, perhaps from inside the house, the bullet going through the living room window and hitting Mike as he stood on the front deck.

Web Extra: Glock Firing Demo: Undersheriff Cody Morris of the Stanton County, Kan., Sheriff's Office demonstrates one prosecution theory about how Michael Golub may have been shot.

Adding to suspicion of the Floyds is their cell phone record - a cluster of calls that Ciolino said supports the idea that Shannon took the kids off the property while Chad committed the murder.

Between 6:38 p.m. and 6:57 p.m. there are 10 phone calls between Chad and Shannon.

"That's when this murder takes place?" Spencer asked Ciolino.

"That's probably it. In that 18-minute period," he replied.

"And then why are they calling each other on the phone?"

"I mean, we got all kinds of issues going on," Ciolino said. "You got a body you gotta dispose of, you gotta clean the deck-and what if Brooke calls?-he's not home. And what if somebody comes out here, what are we gonna do? Listen, they're not serial killers. They've never done this before. This is high anxiety."

But, illustrating what prosecutors are up against, Moura thinks those calls prove nothing at all.

"We're talking about we're gonna murder the individual at my house. I'm then gonna have to dispose of the body. OK? So I'm gonna be wasting all this time making phone calls with a person I've already planned this murder with," he explained. "I'm just not gonna buy that. You know what I'm saying?

Still, nothing shakes Deb Golub's belief that the Floyds are responsible.

"So you honestly believe that this young couple commits murder over a custody fight that they've pre-planned?" asks Spencer.

"Yes," replied Deb.

"They must be master criminals. No one has found his body," said Spencer.

"Oh, not at all. I think they're idiots," Deb said. "Who in their right mind would do something like this? Over a child?"

But if Chad and Shannon did kill Mike Golub, what did they do with his body? Mike's family has several theories. That perhaps, under cover of darkness, they simply buried it in the fields or maybe even dumped it in an old abandoned well where it would unlikely ever be found.

Without a body, the evidence in this case was circumstantial: the painted deck, the blood under the boards, the broken window and the missing gun.

But prosecutors are convinced they know what happened. A year after Mike Golub disappeared they arrest, charge and jail Chad and Shannon Floyd.

It takes only three weeks for Chad's father to bail them out. Bond was $1 million each and he hired two of the top lawyers in the state to defend them.

"They've put a lot of money out there to protect those children, to protect Chad and Shannon," Deb said. "What are they protecting? Are they protecting the name of Floyd?"

Still, Deb Golub has sympathy for Chad Floyd's parents.

"I feel sorry for them," she said. "They have had to go through hell, as much as I have. My family's not the only one that's been hurt by this."

A full cycle of planting and harvesting passed before the trial began in the summer of 2007. The trial lasted two weeks. After just two days of deliberations, the jury declared it hopelessly deadlocked.

Deb Golub was distraught. She was so sure the evidence would convince even a jury from Johnson.

"I think it was such a private, devastating time for us," she said. "We have cried so much over this. And it's an everyday occurrence for us to talk about it."

There's no evidence the jury was influenced by the Floyd family's power, but Mike Golub's friends have few doubts.

"Any other place in the United States, any other jury that would've heard the evidence that was put forth, they would [have] been guilty," said Danae Meurer.

Not so fast said Prosecutors Rick Guinn and Barry Disney. They refiled the charges, rolling the dice again with a jury from Johnson.

"Yes, this is a big deal," Disney said. "I want to win this."

Nine months later, they seem confident that this time they will win justice for Mike Golub even if Chad Floyd doesn't seem the least bit worried, having yawned as the judge read the charges.

"The defendant, Chad Floyd, is charged with the crime of murder in the first degree. He pleads not guilty.In April 2008, nearly three years after her son, Mike, disappeared, Deb Golub got a second chance at justice. "It's scary. It is scary. We've already been through a hung jury once," she said.

With so much at stake, Mike's sister, Crissy, flew in from California. But the family is concerned because this second trial is in the same county, in the same courthouse with same small-town jury pool.

"I hope for a guilty verdict. That we can get a fair trial in Stanton County," said Deb.

Under Kansas law, only the defense can ask for a change of venue and Prosecutor Barry Disney knew Chad and Shannon wanted to keep the trial in Johnson.

"So you're not just convicting this arbitrary defendant that tomorrow you'll never know," Disney explained. "You're convicting Gary's son or Marla's boy or Chris' cousin."

"It seems like there are so many people [who] live in this community - that work for the Floyds, that are related to them," Crissy said. "I just can't imagine working with these people and then having to go on the stand against them."

But when the trial finally began at the Stanton County Courthouse, that's exactly what happened. Relatives and employees of the Floyd family are put in the uncomfortable position of testifying against Shannon and Chad, adding to the tension in town.

Chad's cousin, banker Chris Floyd, said Chad told him all about his plan to bribe Mike Golub to leave town.

"You were left with the impression that Michael Golub had accepted $50,000 in exchange for relinquishing his parental rights, correct?" Guinn asked Chris Floyd on the stand.

"Yes, I was," he replied.

But when Chris' wife, Dara, ran into Mike at a school event just days before he disappeared, she said Mike acted nothing like a man about to abandon his son.

"I remember Michael telling Mikey as he walked by, 'I love you, son,'" an emotional Dara testified.

"If they tried to bribe Michael with $50,000, Michael would have looked at that and looked at them and laughed in their face," Deb said. "He would not have taken a dime for that child."

There's no evidence he ever did take a dime. Bank records show Chad and Shannon re-deposited almost all of the money into an out-of-town bank.

"And these two knuckleheads… frankly, that's why they're on trial is because of this $50,000 and then Mike missing afterwards," said Ciolino.

Compounding their woes were a series of damning comments Chad made to co-workers.

"He got very angry and got in my face and said if he ever- if Mike ever tried to get custody of little Mikey, he'd kill him," testified John Nickel.

Ray Winters told the court that Chad told him, "That it would be easy to make him disappear."

"And did he indicate how it would be easy to do that?" asked Guinn. "Drop him in the well," Winters replied.

And there was this from Chad's own cousin, Chris Floyd:

"I said that, 'If you had nothing to do with this, then, you know, why are you kind of making things difficult for the investigators?' He said, 'Wouldn't you cover? You wouldn't even cover for your wife?' I said, 'Not for murder.'"

"And what was his response to that?" asked Guinn.

"He said, 'That's where you and I are different.' He said, 'They can't prosecute without a body.'"

Prosecutors don't have a body, but they do have Mike's DNA in the blood found under the deck. As to how it got there, defense attorneys got the state's expert, Lisa Burdett, to admit she's not sure. Suppose, they asked, Mike was on the deck once and happened to spit.

"And you would find Michael Golub's DNA because of the skin cells or blood cells in the saliva, correct?"

"Yes," she replied.

"48 Hours" investigator Joe Moura says it's all about creating doubt.

"He could have been there once, sneezed or spit on that porch and his DNA would be there," he said.

Still, no one answered the question investigator Paul Ciolino posed: why is only Mike Golub's DNA on those boards?

"Chad's been on the deck 35,000 times. And his DNA's not on there… Shannon and the children have been there every day they've lived there and their DNA's not on there," Ciolino said. "What are the chances of poor Mike's DNA showing up on the deck? And nobody else's?

Deb believes the evidence is there.

"Blood doesn't get someplace without something happening. It just doesn't go," she said.

With the forensic evidence looking so bad for Chad and Shannon, the defense went on the offense - attacking Mike Golub's character by asking his stepbrother, Beau Hines, about Mike's supposedly heavy drug use years earlier.

"And you told Agent Boyer that you and Michael Golub had done cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine and alcohol together, correct?"

"Yes," replied Hines.

In fact, there was a drug bust in Johnson just days before Mike disappeared. The cops say he was not involved, but a key defense witness suggested a link.

Helen Blevens said Mike implied to her that he had tipped off the cops and was worried about retaliation.

"He says, "I did something that's going to piss a lot of people off.'" She said, "He stated to me, he says, 'Oh, believe me,' he says, 'I could disappear and nobody would ever find me.'"

"[It] made me mad because I don't know where she's getting her information, but it's completely false," defended Crissy.

Mike's friends add that Johnson is hardly home to drug kingpins out for revenge. As for that big time bust, Shannon Morris said, "That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. People in Johnson don't even know what a real drug dealer is. They go to the city and maybe they would find out what one was. That's absolutely ridiculous."

But the defense isn't finished yet. Another theory is that the disappearance is somehow linked to Mike's girlfriend, Brooke, and a secret affair.

"So it could have been as long as two months prior to May 20, 2005, that Brooke and Mike had been arguing about who's sleeping with who. True?" asked Defense Attorney Dan Monnat.

Hines replied, "Yes." But, he said there was no reason for Mike to worry.

"We talked about it that one time. I said, 'Man, just come on, dude.' I said, "It's no way.'"

A drug ring? An affair? A jealous lover? Is it all preposterous or is it reasonable doubt?

"Did he confront somebody that was having an affair with Brooke? Did a fight break out? Did he get hit over the head by the lover of Brooke? Who knows? The fact is there are other possibilities," states Moura.

But this time around, Deb Golub is confident that a jury from Johnson can fairly weigh the evidence against a family named Floyd.

"I feel a difference in the courtroom," she said. "We're hoping for a conviction. As the second Golub murder trial is nearing its end, it's taken a toll on Mike's mother, Deb.

"You don't live your life as if you're going to be put into a fishbowl," she said. A fishbowl where the defense highlighted every problem her son ever may have had.

"Consider, too, that if a despairing Golub returned to drugs anywhere and with his fragile heart, overdosed in some drug dealer's squalid drug den or shooting gallery, then other people, unknown to any of us, had a motivation to get rid of his body and dispose of it to protect their drug-dealing enterprise," Defense Attorney Dan Monnat told the court.

"I thought they could do anything they wanted to. Because-- Michael wasn't there to defend himself," Deb told Spencer.

"So you felt they were putting the victim on trial?" asked Spencer.

"You bet," replied deb. "It was Michael's life that was on trial. It wasn't Chad and Shannon that was on trial."

Especially hurtful to Deb was Defense Attorney Kurt Kerns' insistence that since Mike's body has never been found, he may not even be dead.

"Maybe he's on a beach in Mexico with shades on going, 'Suckers,'" Kerns told jurors. "Maybe that's the last scene of this movie.' Got my revenge. I ain't paying child support to nobody now.'"

Prosecutor Rick Guinn closed his case by urging jurors to ignore the rhetoric and focus on the reason.

"There are two people in this entire world that had the motivation to kill Michael Golub that day. They wanted him out of the picture. He was an impediment to their future - Chad and Shannon Floyd. Thank you."

As the jury began deliberating, the defense sounds cocky "Good job today. We'll win"

But Deb Golub also is feeling upbeat.

"I'm very optimistic with this jury," she said. "I believe the evidence has come across better. The prosecutors were much more prepared because they knew what the defense was coming in with."

But after just three hours the first day and only two hours the next morning, came an all-to-familiar message from the jurors - a hung jury.

Read the jury note

Try again, the judge replies sending the panel back.

"Maybe they are afraid to make a decision, maybe they can't live with it on their conscience that they sent someone to prison," Deb said while waiting for a verdict to be reached.

After two more days of deliberations, the jury tells the court it is deadlocked with a vote split 7 to 5, unclear which way.

Read the jury note

"This is really disgusting. Unheard of….I don't understand it," Mike's grandmother said following the news. "With all the evidence we have that they can't come to a right decision. He was my grandson! And they did away with him."

Shannon and Chad Floyd walked out of the courtroom free to return to normal life… at least for now. When "48 Hours" asked them if they were happy with the verdict, neither had anything to say.

The exasperated prosecutors vow they'll try this case a third time.

"Two hung juries aren't going to discourage us. We'll be there until the bitter end," said Guinn.

It's an announcement that infuriates the defense.

"Well, apparently the Attorney General's Office is more interested in getting on TV than they are justice," said Kerns.

But seven months later, the same prosecutors changed their tune.

"There was a concern if we went a third time on the evidence that's already been uncovered that it would result in a third hung jury," explained Guinn.

There will be no next trial for the Floyds. Prosecutors announced all charges are dropped and won't be filed again unless some new evidence surfaces.

"They will never find evidence incriminating Chad and Shannon Floyd because no such evidence exists nor did it ever exist," said Monnat.

For Chad and Shannon, it's total vindication. For Deb Golub, its total defeat. The Floyds are free. Her son is gone and she has no idea where her grandson is.

As soon as they got their freedom, Chad and Shannon left town with Mikey.
Deb's pleas to Shannon to see her grandson went nowhere.

"…and she just flatly refused to let me see Mikey," she said. "I don't know where Mikey is…I have no clue."

A year after the trial, "48 Hours Mystery" investigators tracked Shannon down living in Burlington, Colo., with Mikey and her other son.

A source told investigator Paul Ciolino that Chad is rarely seen with Shannon anymore.

"He went out and obtained a commercial driver's license and has been driving a semi truck," said Ciolino.

Mike Golub, forever remembered as "California Mike" to his pals, is officially still missing.

"He was a great father. He was a great son. I was very proud of my son," said Deb.

"Do you think you'll get justice?" Spencer asked.

"Maybe not on this Earth," Deb replied, "but eventually, yes. Shannon and Chad will get theirs in the end. Whether we do it or God."

Produced by Alec Sirken