Ron DeSantis and Andrew Gillum insult each other in final Florida debate
The candidates for Florida governor began their second and final debate by decrying political divisiveness on a day when Democratic leaders had been sent pipe bombs. But it wasn't long before they lapsed into attacks on each other. Republican former U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis and Democratic Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum agreed that some people are being pushed over the edge by extreme political rhetoric.
DeSantis pointed out that last year he had just left a Republican congressional baseball practice before a gunman starting shooting at his teammates.
"I know firsthand that when we start going down that road, it can be very, very deadly," DeSantis said. "It is important that we try to unify."
"We've really seen the collapsing of political discourse," Gillum said.
That's when the discourse between DeSantis and Gillum turned nasty.
Though the two clashed on health care, education, guns and the economy, the same attack themes came up repeatedly in the debate: Democratic Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum called Republican former U.S. Rep. DeSantis a liar who should be disqualified from being elected. DeSantis called Gillum corrupt.
Gillum, who is seeking to become the state's first black governor, brought up DeSantis' comments the day after the primary -- when he said that Florida voters shouldn't "monkey this up" by supporting Gillum. And Gillum added that DeSantis had been endorsed by President Donald Trump.
"My opponent ... has run this race very, very close to the Trump handbook, where we call each other names, where we run false advertisements,"
Gillum then called DeSantis a liar, and DeSantis called Gillum corrupt, pointing at Broadway tickets to "Hamilton" that were supplied by an undercover FBI agent investigating corruption at Tallahassee City Hall.
Gillum admitted he had taken the ticket, but said he received it from his brother and thought his brother swapped them for concert tickets.
"I should have asked more questions to make sure that everything that transpired was above board," Gillum said, before quickly trying to switch topics. "In the state of Florida, we've got a lot of issues. In fact, we've got 99 issues and Hamilton ain't one of them."
Gillum said he isn't a subject of the FBI probe.
DeSantis, however, mentioned the Broadway tickets several times during the course of the debate.
"He wants you to believe that he's not under investigation," he said. "Why would an undercover FBI agent posing as a contractor give him a $1,000 ticket to 'Hamilton?'"
When DeSantis was asked by moderator Todd McDermott about speaking at events organized by conservative provocateur David Horowitz, who has in the past made racially inflammatory comments, suggesting that President Obama is a Muslim and that he lost the Iraq War deliberately, and that Palestinians are Nazis.
Before McDermott could finish his question, DeSantis interrupted and said Horowitz's controversial statements had been uttered before he attended the conference. The moderator corrected him, and DeSantis interjected angrily, "Well how the hell am I supposed to know every single statement somebody makes?"
DeSantis defended his military career and record as a prosecutor and continued, "I am not going to bow down to the alter of political correctness. I am not going to let the media smear me like they like to do with so many other people."
Gillum then went on the attack. "Mr. DeSantis has spoken. First of all, he has got neo Nazis helping him out in the state," Gillum said. "He has spoken at racist conferences. He has accepted a contribution and would not return it from someone who referred to the former president of the United States as a Muslim n****r. When asked to return that money, he said no. He is using that money to fund negative ads. Now I'm not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist. I'm simply saying the racists believe he is a racist."
The candidates also had stark differences on issues.
DeSantis reiterated he would have vetoed a bill signed by Republican Gov. Rick Scott three weeks after February's massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School that raised the age limit to buy a rifle from 18 to 21 and imposed a three-day waiting period on rifle purchases.
He believes the increased age limit for buying rifles will be found unconstitutional. Instead of adding gun restrictions, he said, the state should tighten school security and blamed the massacre, which left 17 dead, on local and federal officials who did not stop suspect Nikolas Cruz despite numerous warnings.
"The way to keep our communities safe is to work with law enforcement, not against law enforcement, and you need to identify those individuals who should not have access to firearms," he said.
Gillum said he would have pushed for a stronger bill than Scott signed.
"If you want to own the power of God at your waist belt, you should have a background check. If you are a domestic violence abuser, convicted, you should not have a gun where you could snuff out the lives of your loved ones," Gillum said.
Gillum defended his proposal to raise corporate income taxes. Gillum said it would only raise taxes on the top 3 percent of the richest corporations and it is only a fraction of the $6.3 billion they received from a tax cut Trump signed into law.
"All we're simply saying is that they can keep $5.3 billion but we deserve a billion of that to come into this state" for education, he said.
DeSantis replied, "Businesses will leave the state, people will lose jobs and we'll stop people from investing in Florida. It will be a historic mistake."
The candidates also diverged on health care. Gillum said he would push for an expansion of Medicaid to bring 800,000 low-income Floridians into the program.
"If we do that, we will pull down $6 billion from the federal government that will go into this state's health care system, so we can hire more doctors, more nurses, more nurse practitioners," Gillum said.
He said DeSantis voted more than a dozen times to repeal the Affordable Care Act, often called Obamacare, and told a cancer patient to go to an emergency room to get health care.
DeSantis fired back, saying Gillum wants to put Floridians into a government-run health care system that would decimate Medicare and private and employer-provided insurance programs.
"Some people were paying more for premiums than for rent, so people couldn't afford it. Some people lost access," DeSantis said. "Andrew supports a single-payer plan which will force people off Medicare, force people off their employer plans and put them on a government-run single-payer plan that is wrong."
Jack Turman contributed to this report.